Ryanair and COMAC – Part III

In the event we are to believe the naysayers here at the Paris Air Show, Michael O’Leary and his airline are behaving like they are serious about the C919. The considered opinion among the considered in Paris is that Ryanair is playing a grand game to make Boeing blink.  Airbus is less likely to blink given, shall we say, history.

As Mr O’Leary states in the linked article “….we remain in continuing discussions with both Boeing and now COMAC…” There is no mention of Airbus. And he goes on to say “…today’s announcement won’t affect our long standing relationship with Boeing…” Well what is it?  A game of chicken?

COMAC has nothing to lose. Indeed, Mr O’Leary is apparently not a patient man and he is dealing with the most patient people in business.  They will outlast and tire him.  COMAC’s C919 is more likely to run late than say the MC-21.  But IRKUT is not as hungry.  COMAC obviously thinks they have manageable risk.  Even if – and its likely – Ryanair stiffs them, they are likely to learn a lot about satisfying the most demanding LCC in the world.

The linked MOU is mainly fluff.  We are comfortable that both sides know this.  Actually everyone knows this. But Ryanair has thrown down a gauntlet to Boeing.  This would be laughable under normal circumstances. No doubt there are lots of giggles among Team Boeing.  However, it would behoove Boeing not to make too much fun.  The Airbus neo is cleaning up in Paris.  Even though Boeing has secured some 737 orders, it is not at the same level as neo orders. As of tonight we have 49 737s compared with 210 A320neo’s sold at the show.   The market is speaking (shouting?).

The aviation world, especially airplane buyers, are growing frustrated waiting for Boeing to share a definitive vision on the future of its single aisle program. The 737 as we know it cannot go on forever.

Boeing Joins Airbus in Attacking CSeries, while Deferring Decision on 737 Actions

Boeing executives had harsh words for the Bombardier CSeries at their press briefing in Paris, indicating an underlying concern about the new competitor to the 100-149 seat category. [Read more...]

Delta’s RFP and Boeing

This past week saw something very interesting.  Take a look here. According to Buckingham Research, as quoted in ATW, Boeing might not bid on Delta’s single aisle RFP.  That is an eye-opener worthy of some consideration.  Delta’s RFP states a requirement for 200 airplanes in the 737-700/A319 segment. Two hundred is big for anyone in the business. [Read more...]

Looking at Airbus NEO, 737 and CSeries costs

Aeroturbopower has two blog postings which do some interesting analysis on the cost debate between Airbus and Boeing and between Airbus and Bombardier.

Post 1 and Post 2 have some detailed analysis that gives an independent look at “who’s on first.”

Price war biggest threat to CSeries

The Globe and Mail of Toronto has this recap of one element of our new Bombardier CSeries Study, and this is the greatest threat we see to BBD is the prospect of a price was initiated by Airbus and Boeing that it cannot hope to win.

As discussed in our new Study, Airbus and Boeing have the ability to make the A319/319neo and 737-700 loss-leaders, should they choose, to out-price the CSeries. With a full family of airplanes, up to and including Very Large Aircraft, Airbus and Boeing can subsidize the A319/319neo and 737-700 either within the A320 and 737 families or as part of deals with the larger brothers.

If one assumes a 25% discount off list prices for CSeries sales (and certainly this could be deeper for all we know), Airbus will have to discount the A319neo a whopping 41% off its list price (including the $6m premium over the legacy A319) just to match the CSeries discount. This discount would not be unprecedented for Airbus, but it’s not something the company wishes to do on a regular basis.

As for Boeing, which so far is resisting the idea of re-engining the 737, it, too, has pricing power afforded it through a family of airplanes. Boeing, and Airbus, also plan to boost production to as much as 40-42 737s and A320s per month. The additional production efficiencies also lend weight to pricing power, as well as being able to flood the market with airplanes at production rates Bombardier can’t match.

Other press coverage:

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Was McNerney Unduly Pessimistic at Wings Club?

Jim McNerney, Chairman and CEO of Boeing, issued a downbeat assessment of the US Aerospace industry at the Wings Club in New York November 11 when he expressed concern that the US industry may atrophy due to a shrinking labor talent pool.. In doing so, he cited the failure of the Boeing business model that delegated too much work to partners in an effort to share the costs and risks of the large scale development program for the 787. He is now concerned about competition from China, Russia and Japan.

The irony about the emerging competitors is notable because Boeing has long relied upon these three countries for outsourcing and stepped up the work in Japan and Russia for the troubled 787 and 747-8 programs. In essence, Boeing has had a major hand in creating its own competitors. (Airbus, Bombardier and Embraer also are guilty as well.)

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A Disconnect?

Here’s a fascinating unfolding story – Boeing says there is no customer “pushing us to re-engine”.   The story, by Seattle P-I’s Aubrey Cohen, also links to a story by Bloomberg that speaks pretty clearly about how Boeing’s two major 737 customers feel.  Based on what we heard at Southwest’s Media Day last week, it appears to us there is a disconnect between Boeing and a key customer. [Read more...]

Southwest & Boeing – Some Thoughts

This past week we were part of Media Day at Southwest Airlines.   It was a most pleasant visit.  However, news reports coming out of the event bear some scrutiny. [Read more...]

Nixing NEO?

(image: FlightGlobal)

In a strange turn of events, it seems Airbus is backing away from or at least delaying its much awaited A320-family NEO.  There was an expectation that this week we would hear all about the new airplane update. [Read more...]

LEAP-X Well Positioned for 737RE

The LEAP-X engine program from CFM International is well positioned to be the engine of choice should Boeing choose to re-engine the 737NG series. While Boeing has a “triple option” available – minor upgrades to the existing product, a re-engining to match the expected Airbus NEO, and an all new airplane. CFM International has an exclusive relationship with Boeing, and the LEAP-X-1C engine planned for the COMAC C-919 will be available in the 2016 time frame. [Read more...]

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